2014-2015 IowaPreps.com All State Basketball Teams

[LukeFeddersen]

Linked below our the IowaPreps.com All State Basketball Teams for the
2014-2015 season.


Class
4A All State


Class
3A All State


Class
2A All State


Class
1A All State
This post was edited on 3/17 1:43 PM by LukeFeddersen

 

[Earvin32]

I question PEMSL as class 3-A POY only because his season was so limited. McDermott clearly had the superior season...

 

[Hawkfreak2k15]

He did not impress me at the state tournament. I'm guessing injuries had something to do with this.

 

[LukeFeddersen]

Originally posted by Earvin32:
I question PEMSL as class 3-A POY only because his season was so limited. McDermott clearly had the superior season...

Best player on the best 3A team in the state was why he won it.

 

[Niceshot44]

Have you seen his stats? He missed 7 games and is still among the top. Very unselfish player...check out the assist column for a kid playing the 5 all year. He has court sense well above all others.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

I think that Cordell would be the first to admit that he was not pleased with his physical play on the court this year. I am happy that he is taking a month or two off and just heal his body. He has grown so much that I think he doesn't really know how to use, or not use, his body yet. He tries to do too much more than he is capable with the ball and I can't ever remember a player who has taken so many really bad falls and hurt his shoulder, neck and head so many times. And then he re-injured/stressed the knee. I called him "The Ambulance" in another post. Also, last summer at an all-star big-man national game, he was severely struck on the head by another player's swinging elbow and he had to leave the camp, as he was unable to continue playing. I do worry.

If I didn't know that he can definitely play much better than he has, I would agree that someone else should be POY in 3A. If I lived in central Iowa or anywhere but NE Iowa, I would have voted McDermott, Wentzien, Velky, Borchers, Kreiner and Klein all ahead of him. I think they all had terrific years. In fact, a lot of local fans think Josh Carter and Nolan Timp had better years in 3A. I really hope Pemsl can come back stronger next year and put all the injuries behind him.

 

[Niceshot44]

There is a lot that many people are not aware of this year. Very interesting to hear all of the opinions. Again, look at the stats. He is a maturing player with unbelievable court sense. Watch him play AAU with more talented guards. The connections are awesome. I think with some great coaching he will figure out his place and contribute greatly. He is a strong minded, well rounded kid. He will be just fine.

 

[maxstabs13]

I can't say I have seen all of the players on the 3A teams, but some of them don't belong.

I watched Solon against CR Xavier and none of those players were State Team worthy.

Streeter McIlravy, while being a decent scorer, isn't even the best player on his own team from what I saw.

I can name 4 players who were more deserving that I saw and I only saw 6 3A teams this year...
Michael Mims- CR Xavier
Evan Wadsager- Assumption
Connor Hermann- Mt. Vernon
Roman Youngblut- Assumption

Maquoketa's best player was a sophomore who played up toward the end of the season. Abraham Kinrade is a state level caliber player as well, but with his limited PT he obviously isn't worthy this year.

 

[bravos]

Assumption had two all staters and they didn't even make it to a substate finall.

 

[maxstabs13]

Originally posted by bravos:
Assumption had two all staters and they didn't even make it to a substate finall.

They made district finals just like Solon and didn't get beat by 30 points by Xavier. Assumption shot awful against Xavier right after Christmas break and only lost by 10.

Assumption also played the District Finals with 4 starters sick(One couldn't start and the others were sluggish) and the first guy off the bench couldn't play for personal reasons.

Assumption beat one of the 4A Championship teams.
They tied with PV in the MAC and were just behind 4A Champs North Scott.

 

[LukeFeddersen]

No all state list is going to please everyone. As soon as your son, teammate, player was snubbed, the all state list sucks. You can make a case for plenty of athletes who belonged on the list. That is the way it goes and it definitely happens here.

The goal of the lists are to highlight the athletes around the state in a positive manner.

 

[jarajujo]

The 3A Team should be renamed the "All State Basketball Team With Players From Teams With Winning Records." Certainly every player on here is deserving but try doing it against face guarding and box and ones. Good players with inconsistent and unproductive teammates face a difficult challenge yet some still put up very good numbers.

 

[LukeFeddersen]

Originally posted by jarajujo:
The 3A Team should be renamed the "All State Basketball Team With Players From Teams With Winning Records." Certainly every player on here is deserving but try doing it against face guarding and box and ones. Good players with inconsistent and unproductive teammates face a difficult challenge yet some still put up very good numbers.

So the success of the team shouldn't matter?

 

[mtdew_fever]

jarajujo - are you complaining because a below average Carlisle team didn't get anyone recognized?

All great players make their teammates better. If an All-State worthy player can't do that, then they don't deserve to be recognized as such.

As my high school coach would tell me, "Stats are for losers. Wins are what matter".

 

[dadto2]

Ah, let the over-reaction, search for hidden meanings, and team bashing begin.

To Luke- Team success should be a factor but here it seems over-emphasized. Allow me to make my point. You name 40 players to your three teams in 3A. Of those 40, 37 come from teams with winning records(93%). Of the three from teams with losing records, all are on the third team and two are the last listed. So I guess if you had only named 38, it would be 1/38.

To Fever-Way to break out the cliches! "All great players make their teammates better." "Stats are for losers." "Wins are what matters." You forgot "Second place is the first loser" and "There is no "I" in team." Maybe you can work them into your next post.

Meanwhile, I'll let the numbers I showed speak for themselves and get back to watching the Iowa-Davidson game.

 

[mtdew_fever]

Hey there dadto2.....what's up with your last comment "Meanwhile, I'll let the numbers I showed speak for themselves and get back to watching the Iowa-Davidson game."?

That makes us think you were commenting before, yet your response to me shows post #1. Interesting....

Originally posted by dadto2:
Ah, let the over-reaction, search for hidden meanings, and team bashing begin.

To Luke- Team success should be a factor but here it seems over-emphasized. Allow me to make my point. You name 40 players to your three teams in 3A. Of those 40, 37 come from teams with winning records(93%). Of the three from teams with losing records, all are on the third team and two are the last listed. So I guess if you had only named 38, it would be 1/38.

To Fever-Way to break out the cliches! "All great players make their teammates better." "Stats are for losers." "Wins are what matters." You forgot "Second place is the first loser" and "There is no "I" in team." Maybe you can work them into your next post.

Meanwhile, I'll let the numbers I showed speak for themselves and get back to watching the Iowa-Davidson game.

 

[maxstabs13]

I'm more of a percentages guy rather than scoring guy...

TJ Hockenson
Matt Wentzien
Levi Jansen
Spencer Pauley
Ryan Kreiner
Tyler Brochers
Jake Velky
Jonny Dahl
Adam McDermott
Jaxon Heinz
Daric Laing

These guys were first team locks. I've seen limited amounts of 3A teams, but I can guarantee that some of the 2nd and 3rd team players were questionable.

Mitchell Burger and Michael Mims from CR Xavier would have torn apart some 3A teams if they played that type of schedule.

Same goes for Timp, Carter, and Till from Wahlert... They could handle plenty of the 3A competition.

 

[ghost80]

How good the team is and who they played definitely needs to come into play in selecting All State Athletic Teams. If Dew is right and Jar is upset because of Carlisle there is no one on that squad who is All State caliber. To further back that up Carlisle not only failed to have a winning record....they only beat 1 team with a winning record this year.

All Staters are difference makers. If you can't make a significant difference on your team in the only stat that matters (W/L)...you aren't an all stater.

People get way too hung up on these All State teams. By a wide margin the best athlete in the RRC has been a part of teams that often weren't too successful (although this year they came within OT of the Well). That kid is a difference maker yet when he hasn't always gotten his due do you see his dad on here complaining? No. If anything he is acknowledging the efforts of others on his son's team or looking forward to what they can do better as a team next time. Every time that kid hits the field in every sport he has the other team's undivided attention as the guy that needs to be stopped but do you hear him or his dad complain? Never. Heck the way things are today you got to give that kid and his parents credit for sticking with that team and not pulling an open enrollment or phantom move to another area team where his son would have been part of a more successful team.

All Staters are for the elite few. If you find yourself having to make a case why someone should be an all stater....they probably realistically aren't one.

 

[bigfridaynite]

Taking over 13 shots a game to avg. 15 pts is not going to put anybody on a all state team and lead the team in TO and not be the leading Reb. or assist man.
I'm sure the young man is a fine player but I'm not sure he is the best player on the team.

 

[dadto2]

The original post says nothing about an individual team or players. You mind readers need to give it a rest.
The post simply shows a wide discrepancy which I then backed up with hard numbers.

As for the player that somehow got dragged into this: Unlike you Quikstats kings I have seen him play many, many times and here are a few facts.........
4 year starter, 3 year captain
1,000 point club
2 year first team all-conference(unanimous), all-district
Oh, and if you like a true student/athlete..........
1st team academic all-state
4.0 GPA/1st class rank/going to be class valadictorian

Because he doesn,t play with a Shammond Ivory he faces the before mentioned trick defenses. When your team still needs you to score the turnovers go up, the shooting percentage goes down.

All-stater? Probably not. The best player on his team? REALLY????????

 

[ghost80]

As I mentioned before....if you have to try and plead your case you probably aren't an all stater (which is what this thread is about).

I don't necessarily agree with Dew's coach about stats being for losers but I have never taken stats at face value and feel they have little value without digging deeper because often they aren't comparing apples to apples. Examples:

I don't always get excited about milestones like the 1,000 point club. Often I'll look at the strength of the schedules those 1,000 points came against. In the case of some of the 3A privates where they play a 4A schedule the 1,000 point club would be impressive. On the flip side if a team only averaged 44th of 64 team strength of schedule it's only rightful that it's going to take more than 1,000 points to get many peoples attention.

Same could be said for the number of years a kid starts. If we are talking a 4A program I'm impressed with a kid who started 4 years. At the 4A level there are a lot of skilled kids working for those spots. If we are talking about a smaller school its not as impressive unless the program has had a lot of success which obviously means a higher level of competition for those starting spots. If we are talking about a program that has only had 1 winning season in the 11 years they have been in their current class (and that was 3 years before the kid started) I'm thinking their isn't nearly as much competition for those starting spots and being a 4 year starter loses most of it's luster.

Not trying to be mean but when you start talking about stats you do need to try to compare apples to apples and level the playing field and yes Jar and Dad... that does include giving some consideration to how much help that athlete had from teammates.




This post was edited on 3/21 2:03 PM by ghost80

 

[Pinehawk]

Most of the top players on these all state teams faced double and triple teams nightly as well as box and ones and other defenses designed to slow them down. They are on the all state teams because they still couldn't be stopped and made their teammates better.

 

[mtdew_fever]

I completely agree with Pinehawk. Junk defenses are pretty common on all-state players. Good coaches are able to find ways to free them up or create easy buckets for their teammates.

As for the player that dad2 is referring to, he sounds like a very good player. Not everyone can be an All-Stater.

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Most of the top players on these all state teams faced double and triple teams nightly as well as box and ones and other defenses designed to slow them down. They are on the all state teams because they still couldn't be stopped and made their teammates better.