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BamaFan1137 said:
One more point as this comment raised my blood pressure a bit...

If a person is just "sitting down" and not complying with lawful orders, the cop is ABSOLUTELY expected to put hands on that person. In this case, more than once, the guy slapped their hands away, took an aggressive stance and/or twisted away to get free from contact.

So yea, he got fvcking tazed. And that was clearly appropriate. That is beyond doubt in this situation and frankly I'm surprised that anyone would disagree.
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The better question is why are these people resisting?

If you are truly innocent, what does resisting arrest buy you?
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hokiemokie said:
Had the guy made an aggressive move then its a different story .He was sitting down and was tazed.
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One more point as this comment raised my blood pressure a bit...

If a person is just "sitting down" and not complying with lawful orders, the cop is ABSOLUTELY expected to put hands on that person. In this case, more than once, the guy slapped their hands away, took an aggressive stance and/or twisted away to get free from contact.

So yea, he got fvcking tazed. And that was clearly appropriate. That is beyond doubt in this situation and frankly I'm surprised that anyone would disagree.
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hokiemokie said:
So its ok to beat a person in the face with handcuffs ?
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LOL, highlight where I said that.

hokiemokie said:
He had a radio and I'm sure he could have called backup he could have used pepper spray too but he went to beating with handcuffs. Had the guy made an aggressive move then its a different story .He was sitting down and was tazed.
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So if a person just sits there and does nothing, it's a Mexican standoff?

He had backup. There were two officers there. Sometimes that's the best you get. Sometimes you don't even get that.

You're assuming he carries pepperspray. Most of us don't. Why? Because it's very unlikely that you will effectively pepper spray someone without spraying others...including yourself and now you have a whole new problem.

Back to your first question...

hokiemokie said:
So its ok to beat a person in the face with handcuffs ?
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...yes, there are times where it would be. As I said originally...

BamaFan1137 said:
Ideally I wouldn't have had my cuffs in my hands.
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Also, as I said originally, we're all making some snap judgements about a very short video that CLEARLY doesn't capture the entire event. There's absolutely a chance that the cop used appropriate force. There's a chance that he didn’t...and that was my point.
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hokiemokie said:
So its ok to beat a person in the face with handcuffs ? He had a radio and I'm sure he could have called backup he could have used pepper spray too but he went to beating with handcuffs. Had the guy made an aggressive move then its a different story .He was sitting down and was tazed.
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Agreed. Looks like our Barney has traded in his doctorate of decency for a straight up thug cop indoctrination.
Sad and pathetic.
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BTW, I can't tell you how many times I've heard my arrestees complain, "if you had only asked one more time" or "if you had said this instead of that."

That's all bullshit of course. They acquiesced due to overwhelming force and now they have regrets and excuses. They never intended to comply and they were hoping to get their way through some kind of resistance...behavior they learned from their parent(s).

As cops we're already handicapped in situations of ongoing violence. We must come in calm and attempt to deescalate. That's a great way to get your shit rocked and then perhaps killed with your own gun. In my personal life, I will attempt to escape from a violent confrontation. But the first moment that I realize that it's not possible, I'm going to be as violent as I'm capable of being as quickly as humanly possible. Do that as a cop and you'll go to prison...hence the handicap.
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BamaFan1137 said:
First time seeing the second video (with the cuffs)...

You don't get to opt out of going to jail. There's not a debate. That occurs in court before a judge.

If it requires violence, so be it. And he absolutely chose the violent route by being passively resistant. We only have so many tools. The first ones we use are our words...verbal commands. After that it becomes increasingly more violent.

And again, what we don't see is why he was going to jail.

Ideally I wouldn't have had my cuffs in my hands. But until it's your job to take someone into custody and failure to do so is failing in your job, it's difficult for you to understand. Also failing to take said person into custody in a timely manner can lead to further and escalating violence and those are things we have to consider.
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The other interesting point is more often than not, cops will give you an option to not go to jail if you cooperate. Maybe they would make him leave the game for his behavior, etc, but they often give an option. It’s usually preferable to jail if you play along

Why? Well taking someone to jail is more work. And in this case where force was used, more scrutiny. No cop wants that.

@BamaFan1137 nails it when he says save the debate for the judge. There isn’t such a thing as street court. You can always lawyer up afterwards if you think the cops are wrong.
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hokiemokie said:
The second video is some criminal activity imo. Beating the guy in the face with handcuffs looks like assault with deadly weapon to me. He never made a threatening move toward the officers that I saw. I didn't see all of what happened but what I did see looked criminal to me.
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First time seeing the second video (with the cuffs)...

You don't get to opt out of going to jail. There's not a debate. That occurs in court before a judge.

If it requires violence, so be it. And he absolutely chose the violent route by being passively resistant. We only have so many tools. The first ones we use are our words...verbal commands. After that it becomes increasingly more violent.

And again, what we don't see is why he was going to jail.

Ideally I wouldn't have had my cuffs in my hands. But until it's your job to take someone into custody and failure to do so is failing in your job, it's difficult for you to understand. Also failing to take said person into custody in a timely manner can lead to further and escalating violence and those are things we have to consider.
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My 4 Dome teams.
West Hancock beats Woodburry 28-7 This game is outside in colder weather with Woodbury on the road that's not good for them
Tri Center beats ACGC 24-16 This is the best matchup, I think TC has the better defense to get the win
ST Ansger Beats MV 28-6 MV hangs around early but to much size for SA
Madrid Beats Lisbon 34-24 Lisbon's sched extremely weak and Madrid gets the win on the road.
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BKHusky said:
It's almost like he's gotten where he is because of two fluke-ish type wins.

I seriously wonder if he has some addiction issues or something going on. He looks and sounds like a shell of the guy he was at Ole Miss.
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I think he has been a pretty solid coach in the past but like you said, it seems like something is going on with him now. The addiction thing is an interesting take. My first thought was that he's just miserable for whatever reason.
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GwinnettDawg said:
Jesus Christ. Looks like those cops did need their asses kicked.
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The short clip looks bad...but I'd be interested to see the rest of the video. Context matters.

Hard for me to imagine what the hell justifies the guy laying on his back but the one standing, and this is just a hunch, but I'm guessing that he wouldn't let go of another person (someone he was fighting when cops arrived) after multiple commands to do so.

The longer videos will probably tell the tale and I'm sure there are many of them.
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